HomeLocal NewsCarr Presents on Old Slave House and John Hart Crenshaw History – Watch HereCarr Presents on Old Slave House and John Hart Crenshaw History – Watch HereTue, October 17, 2023 by WROY-WRUL News image "Crenshaw House" courtesy of WikipediaFolklore has a way of exaggerating what truly happened and while it may make for a more colorful story, it’s not always representative of how things went down. Todd Carr, President of the Hardin County Historical Society has become an expert on what’s known as the Crenshaw House, the Old Slave House, and perhaps more accurately but lesser known, Hickory Hill and it’s early occupants. To understand the history of the Crenshaws, you must first know what brought them from the Carolinas, the Great Salt Springs. Carr expanded on that and much more Monday night at the Shawneetown Public Library in a special presentation.Despite Illinois joining the Union as a free state, Carr says enslaved people were already here as far back as the French in the 1600’s and a loophole was written into the Illinois Constitution legalizing the practice specifically for salt production. It allowed for leasing slaves as long as they were offered their freedom papers after a year of servitude. What slave owners, including Crenshaw, would do says Carr, is lease slaves from nearby slave states such as Kentucky, keep them for example 360 days, return them to Kentucky and re-lease them. The initial Constitution also allowed for indentured servitude, which Carr says is simply slavery by another name.Crenshaw began by leasing salt wells and when the state of Illinois began offering them for sale in the 1820’s, he would purchase them outright. In 1830, he was running 3 of the 9 salt furnaces and owned some 700 enslaved people. By 1840, he owned all of the area salt furnaces.You can watch Carr’s presentation in it’s entirety on the WROY/WRUL News facebook page or find it below. Carr also has books centered around the pirates and outlaws of Cave-in-Rock as well as a book on how the Shawnee National Forest came to be. You can learn more and find both of those books at https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/todd-carr/2690487/ SHARE NOWShare This Page
Kay Bradley October 17, 2023 at 9:09 amSo much History that should be restored and preserved the State should keep the Old Slave House open. Reply
Smith Vickie October 18, 2023 at 7:24 amI have always wanted to go see the old slave house or the Crenshaw house but was never allowed to. Are they allowing people to see it now? Reply
Sue Baker October 19, 2023 at 2:36 pmI was able to visit the old Slave House back in the 90’s later they closed it. Wish is was open again very interesting. Reply
Gail McDurmon October 18, 2023 at 7:49 amI’m so glad you let us see this presentation. Very interesting. I’d love to take a tour of the house too bad we can’t. It’s a shame it’s not open at least part of the year. Reply
Vickie October 19, 2023 at 2:10 amI’ve been there several times. You go through a lot of emotions. Rooms where Lincoln stayed and the Erie part of where slaves were kept. Scratches on the walls, whipping post etc. Reply
Stephen Watson October 18, 2023 at 8:55 amThank You for providing this video. I live over at Marion KY and have been interested in this throughout my life. We visited the Old Slave House when I was a Child. I’m 57 now. Reply
Michael Caudill October 18, 2023 at 2:40 pmWe visited in 1995 and have known it’s been closed a long time but about a month ago we seen a sign for a business at the entrance road so drove down it. The house was empty from what it looked like and the gate was closed with no signs of life. Would love to see it open again Reply
Larry D Auchstetter October 18, 2023 at 7:48 pmI had plenty of opportunities to visit this when I attended SIU in the late 80s and early 90s, but unfortunately I never did. I really regret that. Is the place still closed to the public? Any plans to open this again? Reply
Melissa Williamson October 18, 2023 at 8:37 pmMy family had a tour in the ‘80’s, or there about. A lasting memory of history and where it was made. Reply
connie sherrod October 18, 2023 at 10:08 pmMe and my parents and sister did a tour of it when I was 15 I’m 61 now it was so s****y but amazing I would love to tour it again Reply
Phyllis October 19, 2023 at 11:19 amI visited there in the 50’s & 60’s different stories each time. I gathered Crenshaw was a brutal and evil person no wonder he was attacked by a slave. Reply
Valleri fogle October 19, 2023 at 8:01 pmI’ve always want to visit but never could. Didn’t know about it until high school did a paper on it in Illinois history class. Reply
Mary Huelsmann October 20, 2023 at 7:30 amWe took our oldest kids there in the 60’s it was very interesting but horrible what the slaves Endured would go again if they would restore it someone should take the people there who are trying to ruin history Reply
Kathryn Delucia October 20, 2023 at 9:37 amI was there in the 60s and i cried seeing the chains and stalls where they kept the slaves. It was horrible. Reply
Jerry Stacey October 20, 2023 at 12:16 pmMy great grandfather owned the house in the early 1900’s . My grandfather was born there in 1913. My great grandfather owned and operated the hickory hill coal mine. There is so much folklore and made up stories about the house and property I doubt if the truth will ever be known. I would love to be able to show my grandchildren the house. Reply
Drew Blair October 23, 2023 at 4:31 pmAll I can say is “shame on the Confederate State of America” one, for being traitors and enemies of The United States of America in the first place and second, for being so cruel to people all over the color of their skin and third, actually thinking that the Grant and his Union Army was actually going to let them “take” slaves of any sort back to the southern slave states! Reply
